{"id":181,"date":"2016-02-05T05:39:59","date_gmt":"2016-02-05T13:39:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/?p=181"},"modified":"2016-02-14T08:31:36","modified_gmt":"2016-02-14T16:31:36","slug":"keep-calm-and-churn-on","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/2016\/02\/05\/keep-calm-and-churn-on\/","title":{"rendered":"KEEP CALM AND CHURN ON"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>With the demise of BB\/Serve I think it is time to take a moment from our regularly scheduled programing and discuss some pitfalls that people should be reminded of, or learn about for the first time. \u00a0The days of easy MS are temporarily over so let&#8217;s discuss about how we can avoid getting ourselves in trouble by doing stupid shit.<\/p>\n<p>Unless you were living under a rock last week, you probably heard about the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pointchaser.com\/how-to-cash-out-40000-worth-of-money-orders\/\" target=\"_blank\">Pointchaser<\/a>\u00a0structuring drama. \u00a0She offered this advice in a post last week.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This one is tricky and could cause a lot of trouble if you go about it wrong. I try to limit my monthly money order deposits to $9,000 across two checking accounts. Federal law requires banks to report suspicious activity, like large deposits that exceed your monthly income. Any deposit of $10,000 or more gets reported to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), but I\u2019ve read that if you split up $10,000 worth of deposits within 30 days, it may still\u00a0get reported. Obviously, I\u2019m not doing anything illegal, but I\u2019d rather avoid the hassles of being investigated for money laundering, so I keep my deposits under $10,000 per month just to be safe.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The post highlights a particular pitfall with money orders.\u00a0 The pitfall is a\u00a0federal crime called, structuring. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/irm\/part4\/irm_04-026-013.html\">IRS Manual <\/a>has a good explanation of\u00a0it and if you are doing MOs it is a must read. \u00a0Essentially, structuring is making bank deposits in a manner that avoids the $10,000 reporting requirement. \u00a0Pointchaser took down the offending advice after receiving a fair dose of criticism.<\/p>\n<p>In defense of Pointchaser\u00a0I will say one thing. \u00a0The reporting law applies to cash deposits. \u00a0I am not 100% sure if money orders are treated the same as cash deposits for the purposes of reporting. \u00a0In fact my wife used to work in a credit union and is familiar with the reporting requirements. \u00a0She says that the reporting requirements only apply to cash and not money orders. \u00a0Still, I would err on the side of caution with this one. \u00a0Don&#8217;t deposit MOs into your bank account. If you do, don&#8217;t structure them.\u00a0 You are much better off going into the local branch of whatever bank&#8217;s credit card you need to pay off and use the MO to pay the bill. \u00a0I for one am on the MO sideline. \u00a0It is not worth the hassles\u00a0for me.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of Money order hassles, did you all see this tweet from Tahsir?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Lolol.. As I&#39;m doing money orders at wally, the police came and detained me..now there&#39;s an irs special agent on site. Will keep all updated<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; BengaliMilesGuru (@TahsirAhsan) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TahsirAhsan\/status\/695065328095617024\">February 4, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Of course there is nothing illegal about MS and money orders, so long as you don&#8217;t structure. \u00a0This, however, just further highlights why this particular game is not for me. \u00a0I&#8217;m frankly surprised this does not happen more often. Fraud and identity theft are very real concerns for stores. \u00a0A cashier is not going to be able to tell the difference between a person MS&#8217;ing versus a fraudster. \u00a0It will all look suspicious to them. \u00a0Tahsir <a href=\"http:\/\/www.travelcodex.com\/2016\/02\/i-was-detained-for-manufactured-spending\/\" target=\"_blank\">wrote about the experience<\/a> and it is worth reading. \u00a0Best take away from the story is to be honest about what you are doing. \u00a0Tahsir&#8217;s honesty saved him.<\/p>\n<p>The last thing I want to touch on is the low level terror that internet chatter seems to suggest has set in on our hobby. As I read comments on blogs, tweets, bloggers answering emails, etc&#8230;it seems clear that people are worried. \u00a0The state of panic I think is best summed up by this tweet.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">WM CSM says she has people daily w\/ 2+ BB\/Serves bitching they can&#39;t load their card &amp; giving CSR&#39;s a hard time. Talk about clueless MSer&#39;s<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; xshanex (@xshanex) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/xshanex\/status\/693194157184147456\">January 29, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>This also leads me to \u00a0a comment that was left on a post over at TBB. Here is the comment:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>How would you make a 10K 3 month spend, if Amex disqualifies VGC and \u201ccash equivalents\u201d? Would you go so far as paying 2.5% for one of those rent\/mortgage paying services ?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>TBB&#8217;s advice was spot on and I want to repeat it here. \u00a0<strong>If you can&#8217;t meet the minimum spend don&#8217;t get the card.<\/strong>\u00a0 How novel?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/files\/2016\/01\/keep-calm-and-churn-on-4.png\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-185 alignleft\" src=\"http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/files\/2016\/01\/keep-calm-and-churn-on-4.png\" alt=\"keep-calm-and-churn-on-4\" width=\"376\" height=\"439\" srcset=\"http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/75\/\/sites\/75\/2016\/01\/keep-calm-and-churn-on-4.png 600w, http:\/\/first2board.com\/milespointsreselling\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/75\/\/sites\/75\/2016\/01\/keep-calm-and-churn-on-4-257x300.png 257w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 376px) 100vw, 376px\" \/><\/a>People need to adjust their expectations. \u00a0With BB\/Serve gone the reality is that minimum spends are going to be harder to meet. \u00a0I don&#8217;t feel comfortable doing thousands of dollars in MOs. \u00a0As a result my options are limited. \u00a0This is why I got into reselling last year. \u00a0I wanted to learn a new way to meet minimum spends, and make some money while I was at it. \u00a0I had a gut feeling the gravy train was coming to an end so I adapted.<\/p>\n<p>Adjust to the new reality, adjust your expectations, keep calm and churn on, but don&#8217;t be stupid about it. \u00a0My last credit card churn was 6 cards and $22,000 in 3 months. \u00a0For now, I can&#8217;t do that again. \u00a0I hope I will get good enough at reselling to eventually be back at that level, but for now it is time to slow things down. \u00a0Figure out what is realistic for you and do that. \u00a0Maybe that means one or two cards at a time. \u00a0Remember pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.<\/p>\n<p>Now back to our regular scheduled programming.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With the demise of BB\/Serve I think it is time to take a moment from our regularly scheduled programing and discuss some pitfalls that people&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":95,"featured_media":271,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","enabled":false}}},"categories":[2,6],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v19.13 - 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